In this episode Dom talks to TV vet, Author and animal rights campaigner Marc Abraham, better known as Marc the vet. Marc founded Pupaid back in 2010 when he was practising vet and experienced the horrors of puppy farming first hand in his surgery. He shares that experience with us today and also talks about his life growing up as a caterpillar collecting nerd through to becoming a practising vet and also animal rights campaigner. If you have just got or are even just thinking about getting a puppy then this episode is essential viewing.
Timestamps[2.00] Welcome to Marc the vet! [2.41] The greyhound round! [4.33] What did Marc do when he was growing up , before he was Marc the vet? [7.56] How Marc’s grandma surviving the holocaust inspire him to stand up for the little guy (and little animal) [9.05] How playing chess can help you to never take no for an answer [10.45] How Marc go involved with campaigning against puppy farms [13.20] How Pupaid started [17.50] Marc solution to puppy farming [18.50]What you can do to avoid buying a farm bred puppy [19.27] Why you should always consider getting a puppy or dog from a rescue centre [20.47] Things to look for to spot a farm bred puppy [21.46] How you can get involved with animal welfare campaigning [23.55] How does Marc the vet like to chill out and relax? [29.09] What’s coming up next week….
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Dom: Hello, me bonny bairns, and welcome to episode 5 of the Superhero Dog Owners show. This is the show that helps you have more fun and less stress with your pet dog. My name is Dom Hodgson. I am the host of the show and I’m also the author of How to Be Your Dog’s Superhero, which you can purchase at www.mydogssuperhero.com.
Thanks to everyone who has … What have they done? They’ve been so busy this week. Thanks to everyone who has been in touch with us, told us they’re enjoying the show. Thanks if you’ve signed up for the emails and you’re enjoying those. Thank you if you’ve left a review of the show on iTunes. We really appreciate that. It’s great to know that we’re providing some useful content. We’re not just sitting in a van, talking to ourselves. There’s people out there watching it and implementing and having more fun with their dogs because of what we’re doing in the show.
In this week’s episode, we have an awesome guest. He is a celebrity TV vet, Mark the Vet, Mark Abraham. He was kind enough to give us a ton of his time this week to talk about many, many things. The main thing that I think you’re going to take away from this is the issue of puppy farming. It’s an issue that has been in the news a lot over the last year, especially and certainly in the last few months with the Panorama documentary and stuff. Mark’s got some fantastic things to share with you. His story and how he got interested in working with animals is amazing, so we’re going to cut straight to the living room where we recorded the podcast earlier this week.
Alex, it’s time to roll the video.
Alex: Let’s roll it.
Dom: My guest today is Mark Abraham, but we all know him better as Mark the Vet. Mark is an author, he’s an animal welfare campaigner. He’s volunteered for animal rescue projects including vaccinating dogs against rabies in Mumbai, rescuing dancing bears in the Ukraine. He’s operating on moon bears in Kendu, China. Is that right, Mark, as well?
Mark: Correct. The Animals Asia Sanctuary.
Dom: You’ve obviously been the resident vet on the Paul O’Grady Show, and I’m really delighted to have you here with us today, so thanks very much for joining me, Mark.
Mark: Thanks for inviting me on.
Dom: You’re welcome.
We’re going to dive straight in with the greyhound round. This is six questions and I’m going to mark you at the end of them, so be on the ball, okay?
Mark: No pressure.
Dom: No pressure at all.
Who is your favourite superhero?
Mark: My favourite superhero is the comedians, so I would say my favourite superhero is probably Peter Cook, although Larry David and Ricky Gervais come a close joint second and third. Peter Cook, for me, the ultimate comedian and, for me, comedians are superheroes. I may get judged 0 out of 10 for that, but that’s-
Dom: I like it. I like it. No, we like laughing here, so that’s good.
Indian or Chinese food?
Mark: Depends on the state of the hangover.
Dom: Which brings me nicely to my next question, red or white wine?
Mark: Usually red.
Dom: Okay. Favorited dog cartoon character?
Mark: Do you know what? You told me about this and the first one that sprang to mind was Hong Kong Phooey but I think that if you’re talking about animation, then I think some of the Banana Splits in the early 70s were also dogs.
Dom: They were good fun, too.
Mark: Anything of that ilk, yes. I’m showing my age. I know I’m old.
Dom: That’s all right. That’s fine.
Mark: The Littlest Hobo, although that wasn’t a cartoon, it was a children’s program. I think The Littlest Hobo was a massive inspiration to all of our generation of animal lovers.
Dom: Definitely, definitely. A big TV fan anyway.
Mark: Yes, I was back then because there was nothing else to do. Pre-internet, guys. Whoever is watching, pre-internet. We did stuff.
Dom: Pick a walk: Pointer in the park or a beagle on a beach?
Mark: Always beach. I live in Brighton. I love the beach. I live right by the beach, so always the beach. Yes. No question about that.
Dom: Thanks for that. All right, I’m going to give you 8 out of 10 for that Mark. That’s pretty good. I’m quite impressed.
Mark: Thanks. When did I slip up? I need to learn so I can improve.
Dom: Indian or Chinese, you just dithered.
Mark: I didn’t commit, did I?
Dom: We’re going to go on and talk a bit more about Pup Aid and some of the work that you’re doing with animal welfare, but let’s find out a little bit more about you. Before you were Mark the Vet and you were just Mark the kid growing up, what compelled you to want to get involved with animals? Who inspired you to work with animals?
Mark: I was always a little geeky, nerdy, caterpillar collecting weird kid who didn’t really have many human friends and preferred to hang around in fields and woodlands and collect birds’ eggs, obviously from the ground that were cracked. I wasn’t going into nests and steal them. I was always obsessed with nature. I came from a background with both parents loved animals. I think that was really important. We always had pets. We had tortoise and we always had cats and occasionally we had all sorts of insects brought in by myself.
It was always animal related, and the story goes. I remember very vaguely, but my mom’s pretty sure of this happening. Our pet tortoise had a cut in its leg and had a maggot in it, and I removed it with a twig when I was three. The leg got better and I think that made me want to help animals. From then on, I always wanted to help animals. My uncle was a vet, so I kind of knew about the profession, so I just wanted to be a vet from a very young age. I’m quite single minded, so if I want to do something, I try and put my mind to it and do it.
My whole childhood was very geeky and very nerdy and very information obsessed, and it was about butterflies and moths and birds and trees. That extended to capitol cities and flags of airplanes and anything sort of information hording I loved.
I draw as well. I’m called Mark because I’m named after Mark Chagall, the artist, because my dad was a painter. I used to draw everything as well. It was like collecting and drawing and birds and butterflies, and it was just a really geeky, nerdy childhood.
I loved homework. I couldn’t do enough homework, and then when I finished homework, I used to invent more homework. Yes, in terms of being a child, I was the least rebellious child you could possibly imagine. I got straight A’s and good results because I just loved working. I had to be a vet. That was the only thing that I wanted to do.
Dom: Brilliant, brilliant. Right. It all started with a tortoise.
Mark: It all started with a tortoise, yes.
Dom: Fantastic. You just mentioned about your single mindedness and stuff and that’s something that I’ve, as I’ve been doing a bit of research for the interview, picked up on. You’re incredibly passionate about animal welfare and the list of charities that you’re a patron of is long and varied from The Oldies Club to The Labrador Retrievers, Mayhew Home. I’m guessing if there was more hours in the day, you would support even more animal welfare issues. Is that where the drive comes from? You feel like you want to help as many causes as you can?
Mark: Yes, kind of. I think my background plays a lot to do with this because I come from a family of, on one side, Holocaust survivors, and on one side, Spanish inquisition survivors many, many years ago. My grandma, who escaped the Holocaust, she’s still alive. She’s 96. I’ve got it in me to always be aware of the underdog and looking out for the underdog and standing up for fairness in a way. For me, campaigning isn’t really campaigning. It’s just standing up for the little guys who haven’t got a voice, and that’s usually the most vulnerable in society. In this case, animals. I just find it impossible to say no, first of all. If I like a charity or if I like a campaign, I’ll do what can to help it because every animal deserves a chance. It sounds very cliché, but it’s true.
Whether it’s moon bears in China or it’s, as you said, the bears in the Ukraine, or I’ve travelled around the world doing stuff, they’re all animals and they all deserve to be happy and healthy and their welfare needs provided and satisfied. I try and do as much as possible, and I love it as well. It’s not like it’s a chore. I actually really enjoy it.
I think the background of all this, pardon the pun, looking out for the underdog kind of drives me because I also played a lot of chess when I was younger, and I think that develops your brain into being quite strategic. You don’t really take no for an answer, and you don’t really think an obstruction or someone getting in the way is going to end your path of campaigning, if you like. It just makes you think, “Okay, why have they done that? There must be a reason for that,” because all you’re doing at the end of the day is carving a way for the animals to have a better existence. If someone is getting in the way of that, and it happens a lot, sometimes 10 times a day, there’s usually a reason for that. It’s usually a vested interest of some sort, or some relationship with maybe a pet food company or often you never know. Maybe for a year or two years or three years, and then after awhile, it’s like, “Oh, that’s why that happened then.”
There’s always a reason, but they’re in the wrong. If anyone obstructs animal welfare, or some sort of positive change, it can very rarely be justified, so you’re trying to investigate and you’re trying to expose-
Dom: Find a way around it.
Mark: -basically understand why that person, organization, individual, MP, it doesn’t matter, is behaving in that way, and there’s usually a reason.
Dom: Yes. You’ve done a pretty good job so far of finding a way around and being determined, with the Pup Aid thing, which we’re going to talk about now. There’s been a lot of press coverage over the last month or so with the Panorama program that I know you played a part in as well, exposing the puppy farms. Could you tell us a story about how you first became aware of puppy farms and how you got into all that?
Mark: Yes, absolutely. I was a practicing vet, as I am now. I don’t do as much now, which is a shame. I miss it, but I’m in Westminster a lot and doing other stuff, all animal welfare related. I was running an emergency clinic in Brighton, and for those of you who don’t know, emergency clinics are subscribed to by surrounding practices. We provide an out-of-hours service, which means the vets can have nights off and weekends off and we concentrate on the emergencies and hospitalization.
It was on a Friday night. I came in to do my night shift at 6pm, and seven puppies came in, all on drips, one from each subscribing practice. They all were suffering from parvo virus, which is a disgusting, horrific and quite shocking disease that really, really young puppies suffer from. It rips their insides to pieces. They vomit, diarrhea, classically with blood in, and they don’t usually last more than 24 hours if they’ve got it. It’s all about detecting it earlier. It’s all about getting the treatment on board, taking the pain away. It’s very, very painful, and it’s a classic disease that is caught, if you like, and transmitted on puppy farms, or commercial breeders, or even non-commercial breeders, but with poor husbandry. Commonly with puppies bred and born on straw or shavings, not the classic home environment that’s hygienic.
That was the first alarm bell. It’s like, how can seven puppies come in with this disease, when normally in a practice you see one a month maybe, or one every few weeks? There was alarm bells, so I rang all these owners up and said, “Where did you get the puppies from?” It was all from the same place. Some were from the same litter, and it was a puppy farm dealer just outside Brighton who was buying them in from a puppy farm in Wales. The crucial point of the story is the puppy farm in Wales was licensed and legal and the puppy farm dealer was also licensed and legal. What shocked me, A, I didn’t really realize the scale of how puppies came to market, if you like, and how they can come from Wales to Brighton and still be 8 weeks old. How can that be justified? Also the fact that it was legal, legitimized …
I looked into it, and was shocked. I still am a pet industry professional, if you like, and didn’t know enough, even with what I was doing. I thought, if I don’t know, then how can the public make an informed decision, with all due respect? I set about educating. Pup Aid started really as a dog show, as a celebrity judge dog show, in Brighton with well known personalities and TV people and MPs, who judge this fun dog show and raised awareness about the correct way to choose a dog, which is obviously to see it with its mum if you want a puppy, or to go to a rescue. That’s it. You don’t go to dealers and you don’t go to pet shops and garden centers, anywhere without the mum. It’s also important to realize that rescue centers have puppies, too.
This was quite a crucial mission statement, if you like, which hasn’t changed since 2009 when we started Pup Aid. First dog show was fun. It was kind of a success. I lost a lot of money personally because I didn’t know what I was doing. It was just me organizing it, and I was organizing trade stands an all sorts of things went horrifically wrong that I ended up paying for, but I knew on the day that there was something in it. We had live music and we had, as I say, trade stands, personalities. Michael Watson, the boxer, who was brain damaged by [Chris Eubank 00:14:23], he judged Best Boxer Dog.
I think that was the moment that I realized that there was definitely something in this because people came from a long way with their boxers to be judged by him. The most poignant part of the day, which we still do, is the parade of the ex-breeding bitches rescued from puppy farms. It’s like everyone’s having fun and then there’s a really serious bit, which people take home with them.
After a couple of years, Meg Matthews came onboard, Noel Gallagher’s ex-wife. She had a puppy farm Boston Terrier that needed 4,000-5,000 pounds were of corrective surgery, so she was angry and she wanted help. We both decided, I’m from northwest London, so we both decided to move Pup Aid to northwest London. It went to Primrose Hill, where it still is every September. It’s just become bigger and bigger and bigger. Now we have 80 trade stands and thousands of people came last year. We still have the parade of ex-breeding bitches, vegan food. We have proper live music festival stage.
Dom: There’s another show coming up this year? There’s another one planned?
Mark: The 3rd of September in Primrose Hill, and it’s a free show. We rely on our sponsors, who are fantastic, and our main sponsor is Barking Heads Dog Food. Really, it’s a one day festival for dog lovers. There’s fantastic boutique trade stands, and then we still have the parade of ex-breeding bitches, but the celebrities that have attended in the last few years, Ricky Gervais, Liam Gallagher, Brian Mays, Sarah Harding, Elle McPherson, Rachel Reilly, Susie Dent, Sue Perkins, Peter Eagan, it’s just unbelievable now. Stars from Towie and stars from Made in Chelsea, and these are the stars that are taking the message to the masses.
Of course, that was fine and the awareness is fantastic in the tabloid media for maybe one or two days of the year. Of course, it wasn’t enough, so I started lobbying. Caroline Lucas said, “Do an e-petition,” so we did an e-petition and we got 100,000 signatures in 6 months. That won us a debate in the main chamber, a 3 hour debate, and that flushed out the bad guys because all the MPs voted unanimously for a ban on puppies without their mums, which is third party sales. The government front bench didn’t like that, and they said, “Let’s just keep things as they are.”
Off the back of that, lots of stuff came out that was going on behind the scenes, which I had no idea about. I’m just an idiot, caterpillar collecting nerd going into Parliament thinking I can change stuff for dogs. It’s been a battle with a few organizations, to be honest with you. It’s incredibly stressful, but now we’re in a position where there’s an effort, select committee inquiry going on into animal welfare. We’ve been called into evidence to give MPs, which is kind of unheard of for a campaign group. We’re providing documents and launches in Parliament and drop-in sessions for MPs, surveys and data and all sorts of things happening. Reports.
Slowly but surely, I have a fantastic coalition I work with, including Carry-ad and the [Carlton Index and people like Julia Carr, and we work under the radar. We’re not there to grab headlines for what we do, we’re just there to save the dogs. Again, it sounds quite cliché, but it’s quite a simple solution to end puppy farming, and that’s basically to open up the puppy farms and turn them into large scale, ethical breeders. Whether they’re 200 breeding bitches or 10, it doesn’t matter. If you can see the pup with the mum, there’s enrichment programs for each puppy. They get exercise, the staff, the food is decent food and the water is clean and there’s lighting and there’s ventilation. It doesn’t matter where they’re bred, as long as they’re bred responsibly and the puppies they produce that enter our society are well adjusted, and, of course, their mums are not bred to death.
There is a solution, but it’s the organizations and the individuals who think that dealing and legitimizing dealing and pet shops and all these third party ways of selling are appropriate and justified are obstructing any possible progress in animal welfare, and it’s very, very sad. That’s what we’re up against every day as campaigners.
Dom: Say there’s a family out there now, they’re listening to the podcast, they’re thinking about getting a dog or a puppy, what can they do? Tell them what they definitely should do to ensure that they don’t get a puppy bred on a farm, and they get a nice, healthy, happy puppy?
Mark: It’s very straightforward, really. First of all, do your research. Second of all, you go along to the breeder, preferably at 5 weeks or 4 weeks the puppies are that old. You have a first viewing. There’s no chance you’re going to come away with one. The breeder vets you, you vet them. Lots of questions. You think about it and then you maybe reserve one. You go back at 8 weeks or 9 weeks and you come away with it then. That’s if you’re buying a well-bred puppy.
My first choice would always be to recommend going to a rescue center. Go to a local rescue center. There’s puppies there, as we said before, but there’s also dogs that are there as a result of broken homes or people with no money or people that have gone into temporary accommodation, or people that have died. These are dogs that are chipped, they’re usually neutered, they’re vaccinated, they’re wormed, they’re flea’d. They’re usually house trained, so they’re kind of bargains really in the grand scheme of things. When you think about how much a pedigree puppy or a designer cross-breed puppy costs, which can be anything up to 3,000 pounds.
If you’re buying a puppy, the golden rule is always see the mum. The government’s advice is to always see the mum. However, the same government’s always also licensing establishments to sell the puppy hundreds of miles from the mum. That’s where the hypocrisy and the confusion lies right at the top of the pyramid. The public really have to make an informed decision, which is hard, because there’s even welfare organizations that aren’t anti-pet shop, which is crazy, because the science is all there to prove that selling anywhere away from the mum is detrimental to, not just the puppy’s welfare, not just the mother’s welfare, but also to the prospective dog owners’ welfare as well. It’s a mine field.
A few little tips. Obviously, always see the mum. Make sure it’s not a fake mum. There are fake mums now, and that’s pretty easy to work out because the mum interacts with the pups. The fake mum doesn’t really care. Also, Google mobile numbers or Google land line numbers, or Google any information you have about that person selling the dog and you may be amazed at how many pages on Google come up with different litters for sale. Also, finally, the sign of a responsible breeder is usually one that just breeds one breed of dog, at the maximum two, because they’re obsessed with that breed. That breed is their family. If you turn up somewhere and they’ve got a list of breeds, cockapoos and multipoos and schnoodles and schnauzers and poodles, you kind of know something’s a bit dodgy. Always ask to see where the puppy’s bred as well.
There’s lots of things that people can do. If you’re suspicious, you just walk away. Ask your vet. There’s plenty of people around to give you advice.
Dom: Brilliant. Great advice, Mark. Thanks for that. We already mentioned about your animal welfare. We’re coming to the end of the interview now. If there’s some caterpillar collecting nerds out there in their own little villages all around the UK, what can they do to get involved with animal welfare in their own little way?
Mark: First of all, I think if they’re on social media, then follow the animal welfare accounts. Follow myself, I’m Mark the Vet on Twitter and Facebook. Follow people like Peter Eagan, follow Ricky Gervais, follow Brian Mays, Carry-Ad, follow accounts that are already doing it and get a flavour for it and find out which campaigns you’re already interested in. If campaigns don’t really do it for you, there’s plenty out there, from the [Yule End 00:22:24] Dog Meet Festival, to Sea World, to Tar-gis dolphins, captive lion trophy hunting, canned hunting, lion petting. There’s enough out there internationally, there’s enough out there in this country … Fox hunting, for example, badger culling, puppy farming … There’s enough. You can either decide to support all of it, or you can decide to support one of them.
Most campaigns will have rallies. Most campaigns will have petitions or get togethers or gatherings or debates in Parliament. If they are actively campaigning, they will be doing stuff that invites people to support them. Get in touch. The thing about campaigning is it’s a real people power thing, and I think these days, more than ever with social media, it’s so accessible to challenge brands or individuals or to join in the mob, if you like, the power of the mob, and create change. Get out there, go to dog shows, talk to people in charities, volunteer at local rescues and walk dogs. There’s so many levels that you can do. Start a petition, share a petition, sign a petition. Tell your friends about a petition. Don’t ignore stuff because the more people that see stuff and are able to share and comment, the quicker change will come.
Don’t be afraid of challenging people and if they don’t answer, just keep asking them why they’re refusing to answer. Eventually, they will.
Dom: Good advice. When you’re not helping raise awareness with puppy farms or being an author or traveling the world, what does Mark Abraham like to do to chill out?
Mark: Wow, that’s a good question. I live in Brighton, so I’m very lucky to live in a very nice part of the world. I walk on the beach. I go to the pub. My passions, I guess, are football. I’m an fan. I do go to Brighton regularly at the MX because I just love watching live football.
Dom: Better luck next year, yeah?
Mark: I go lots of stand-up comedy. I just hang out with my friends and talk about stuff that isn’t to do with being a vet or animal welfare. It’s nice to escape-
Dom: Nice to switch off.
Mark: It’s usually on the weekends, and it’s really important. You know what? If it’s not watching football or watching comedy or walking on the beach, it’s just nice to chill at home and let things soak in. I think the more relaxed you are, the more likely you are to then come up with different strategies and different ideas. Down time is really important.
I do vet sometimes still at Meridian Vets in Peacehaven, which I love. It’s a real classic, independent, personal practice. Very anti-corporate, which I am, too. I’m in Westminster a lot, so I’m in Westminster every week lobbying MPs and doing all sorts of things up there. It’s a very varied life. I never knew this even existed, as the caterpillar collecting nerd, now standing up in Parliament and arguing and challenging and getting involved in quite heated discussions and public speaking.
It’s kind of the opposite, really, but I do generally feel that I’m doing the right thing for animals and helping them, which is what I set out to do from a very young age. It’s just gone to a mental scale and I’m so thankful to the Pup Aid supporters and also the celebs that are involved with Pup Aid, and how many people have embraced it, understood it and are willing to carry the message as well. It’s all about the power of the mob and pressure-
Dom: And stepping up.
Mark: -and that kind of clever strategy, but it is all animal welfare based, it’s evidence based. A lot of it is common sense based and it’s amazing, amazing. Amazes me every day how many people still try and get in the way with individual organizations or whatever, thinking that their way is a better way than science has proven or that common sense is saying or that behavior is saying. Just vested interests. The more stuff is challenged, the more stuff is exposed, the more people slip up and say things they wish they wouldn’t. For me, that’s the most exciting part of campaigning because the more pressure you put on an individual or organization, at some point, they’re going to slip up and it’s going to be detrimental to them. At the moment, it’s detrimental to dogs and it’s making that switch.
Dom: Yes. I think you’ll inspire a lot of people to hopefully step up and join the campaign. I want to thank you very much for your time today, Mark, and wish you all the best for the future. Hopefully we’ll have you back on the show again sometime in the future as well.
Mark: That’s great. If everyone watching-
Dom: Where can they go to find out more about you? Sorry, yes.
Mark: I’m easy. Just Google Mark the Vet. I’ve got website and social media channels and stuff. I’d love to see everyone at Pup Aid, which is at Primrose Hill on the 3rd of September. Follow Pup Aid on Twitter and on Facebook. Come along and be a part of animal welfare awareness and change and meet a bunch of people … That sounds a bit American … Meet a bunch of people who care and who have empathy and compassion and generally want to improve the world for the animals that are our pets, but they also help us.
Dogs are sniffer dogs and they detect epilepsy, guide dogs, hearing dogs, assistance dogs. It’s in 2016, we’re still farming them as livestock. It’s really now time to say enough is enough. Let’s prioritize the welfare of the animals that are helping us and support them as much as we can, and that is what Pup Aid is aiming to do. If anyone wants to get on board, you’re more than welcome.
Dom: Brilliant. Thanks very much again for your time. I’ll put those links in the show notes, as well, underneath so people can come along and see you then as well. Thanks again for your time, Mark.
Mark: My pleasure.
Dom: Take care.
Mark: You, too. Take care. Thanks again. Bye-bye.
Dom: I hope you found that incredibly useful. I certainly did. Obviously I’m aware of puppy farms, and I was aware of what horrible places they can be, but I don’t know. Alex, were you as aware of that?
Alex: No, definitely not. I think he highlighted something that’s a really important issue obviously and something that, whether you’re a dog owner now currently or you’re looking to be, it’s something that people should definitely be aware of.
Dom: Yes, definitely. If you have a puppy or if you’re getting a puppy, or you’re thinking about getting a puppy, or you know somebody who’s thinking about getting a puppy, please, please, please share that episode with them because just with what Mark shared with us in the episode there is going to be able to hopefully give them enough information to know where and where not to get their new puppy from.
We’ve got some more cool interviews coming up in the coming weeks, but next week we’re going to be giving you some more practical how-to things that you can start putting into practice with your dog straight away. I know a lot of you have been trying to find your dog’s kryptonite. You’ve been having a lot of fun. Some people haven’t had as much success as others. We’ll be talking about that as well, which is to be expected. Nobody’s dog looks at them like they’re a superhero the first time they try to play with them.
In next week’s episode, we’re going to be giving you some more practical how-to things, tips, of how you can kick-start your dog training. I know if you’ve been watching the show, and we’re six episodes in almost, hopefully you’re on board with what we’re talking about. You want to have more fun with your pet dog, so in next week’s episode, we’re going to give you some practical tips to kick-start your dog training and help you get started in having more fun and less stress on your daily dog walk.
Please, if you’re enjoying the show, don’t forget to subscribe and leave us a review on iTunes as well. That’s it for this week. Thanks for your time, Alex. Thanks, you guys, for watching, and if we don’t see you through the week, then we’ll see you through the window. See you next time.